>Finally, that damn Italian. The whole “Retvrn to tradition” thing is a reference to Julius Evola. It's pretty funny to see TradCaths use this phrase seeing as Evola had a quite negative view of Christianity, but that's beside the point. Like most, I don't lend any credence to Evola’s ramblings about a made up perennial religion or “Aryan Masculine Solar Tradition.” It's all very dubious historically & relies on shaky metaphysics. I admire his work in RATMW & MATR, but I’m highly skeptical of his more overarching theories.
You should read my longest post on perennialism. It is actually quite reasonable to believe Evola. I plan on adding some more sections to it demonstrating the widespreadness of the perennial myth of the Chaoskampf, but too busy now
>The point being that conservative attitudes never really work. Time moves in a singular direction & is quite relentless. The best conservatives can hope for is to slow the pace of progress, which is also idiotic.
Conservatism works quite often, but when it works it works invisibly. Nobody notices when conservatism works because nothing changes, and we react to changes in our environment. Not non-changes.
>Indeed, the artistic movement that was seen as inseparable from Fascism in its early years was not only untraditional, it was openly & enthusiastically anti-traditional. It saw museums as no better than graveyards, and a fetishization of the past.
Yes, I'm glad someone is aware of the "blow up museums" bit.
>Its not so much that what is old is bad, but that what is old is gone & what remains eventually becomes a grotesque imitation. To avoid this sort of cosmological nostalgia, we should look nowhere except the future.
Uhh, I think this might be a bit of an exaggeration, it's more that we should look to the past but only use it as romantic inspiration for the future, not as something to "return" to. Fascism is traditionalist in a more basic sense, that it participates in tradition by culture-generation. When you are "returning" to Tradition you are creating nothing, you are making a pastiche. The original was, well, original, it was authentic, it was young. What we want is to return to this civilizational youngness which characterizes the springtimes of past civilizations, and surely part of this process is establishing the chain from our predecessors to our successors. This is why the Nazis felt that the Bismarckian "Reich" model was such a big deal, it established Nazi Germany as a new installment in a series of legitimate German Reichs. This is why Mussolini wanted to create a second Roman empire. TL;DR: To LARP is to LIVE!!!!
I have read that article, and quite enjoyed it, but that's not the sort of perennialism I was speaking of. That was more so aimed at the syncretic types that treat Evola as a religious figure & cling too hard to his beliefs. Also, the strain of pagan that's becoming quite common on Telegram that calls themselves PIE pagans, despite our extremely limited understanding of what that even meant.
For your last paragraph, I don't necessarily disagree at all. The Futurists were extremely radical about it, as an artistic expression. I appreciate the sentiment of that but am certainly not above drawing inspiration from the past.
This couples nicely with something I am working on, hope to get it done by the weekend. "The Anabasis to Arete" which was spurned by a quote which I will butcher and paraphrase here but it basically ended with "everything before now was just a prologue" meaning that all of our history before now was just to set us up for the current struggle and victory.
I generally agree with your approach, which is actually what Evola describes in Ride the Tiger. You don't have to buy into his esoteric interpretations, although I would simply point out that Evola was never trying to be "factual" in a scientific, materialistic reckoning of "history". To accuse him of being "non-accurate" is simply a strawman argument.
It's funny how National Socialism was technically not "traditional" by the standards of the 20's. True "right-wing" is inherently cutting edge. Think of Ezra Pound for instance.
Yes there is a radicalism of the right that does not have to be backwards looking, that part of his essay is correct. However deracinated nihilism will get us nowhere, there has to be some excellence to strive towards.
Tedious black piller, is tedious, too fucking lazy to set up a homestead like I did years ago, here’s a toast of bleach to you, welcome to my block list.
Nah will, you are totally a doomer. I'm glad you are aware of the issues, but when I told you there are men around you who could probably use your help, you said "why would they want a loser like me?" Etc etc
I think you should take Hex's new article to heart! Embrace Aryan values and climb out from that rut. Join your brethren in IRL work and make things better for yourself. No one else will.
If you doom harder, it just proves my point. Stop dooming. Don't cope in return, become practically focused and join a real group in person!!
There are no IRL groups to join, they're all COMPED and infiltrated by Feds. There's no getting out of the rut, Brezhnen. Nothing I do ever works out, so any attempt at joining some kind of group would just turn rotten as well.
Fate does not allow anything to go outside of the parameters She sets. I can't stop dooming, there is only Eternal Misery.
Oh what in the motherfucking HELL do you think you're doing, SUBVERTING my BOOB BREAKS with this FAKE-HORNY NONSENSE!!!!! I tolerated your soft spot for the fairer sex up until now, but this is utterly tasteless! No view of breasts or even buttcheeks, a face scarred with piercings (indicator of low intelligence, promiscuity, and disrespect for the Greerhead Pledge), dyed damaged hair, all of this stupid art hoe garbage... These girls are no good for you... They will lead you to destruction, and they are all obsessed with the mutilation of their own bodies with blue hair, tattooes, and piercings. This is unaryan behavior...
Oh, would you look at that! So much simping for "girls" and "not objectifying them" that you've attracted the exposed transvestite Madame Z to your comment section.
Girl Break >>>> Boob Break. I remember saying dis in a note a while back. Many such cases! I am the early adopter! The herald of change! iSubstack bows before ME!
I'm on the right and I've made my Catholic beliefs known, but I'm not under any assumptions that we can turn back the clock. Rather I believe the traditions of the past can act as a shield as we march into the future to protect from the worst aspects of "progress". Good article Peace
Sophisticated teenage nihilism, I am intrigued but not convinced. I agree that one cannot overall be stuck in time, but in place of your nihilism I would offer a variety of ethnos and interest based eco-villages. My preference would be to live in one with the values of the high middle ages like pre-mercantilist craft guilds but with modern computer driven home crafting machines.
Well said. The mindset of the middle ages with modern technology. I watch a YouTuber regularly named Argent and a few years ago he described himself as a "Reactionary Modernist". Someone who believes in the morals of the past, but doesn't discard the achievements of the modern world.
Gotta disagree with a lot of this. First of all, the renaissance was majorly a revival of pre-christian hellenic aesthetics with some new roman-inspired ideas. The anti-modernist stance at the time was similar to an american seeing the president in a neo-gothic castle and thinking "erm we witewawwy seceded from the bri'ish communist burger king in 1448 or however the chicken is fried". Who's not to say being a white nationalist is tradcuck chungus take? Not to mention that christianity wouldn't have survived islam if society always followed the "older = bad" mentality, taking events like the islamic golden age and other shit. Just because mummah makes you wear nice clothes to DA CHOOORCH every easter doesn't mean we need to live in a transhumanist nazi ferdist machine world where you watch "europa: the middlest battle" in your brutalist pod while eating the bugs. BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
It's complicated. The renaissance was not a "return" but a "rebirth" which is really progression inspired by tradition. This is what the fascists were advocating for, not progression with rejection of tradition.
Exactly, change is mostly bad, we should stop and revert back and stay here, because we're actually going backwards, retrograding, regressing, and worsening
I do find the like to comment ratio of this post intriguing. One could also think of Liberalism, Progressivism, and Modernity as traditional depending on the era, the nation-state, the culture, or society.
Like the original Olympic Greek Games were aborhent to the ideals of Christianity.
Today's Christianity, would be aborhent to those who practiced it in the Middle Ages.
Earlier Modernists were inline with advancing technology forward and recognize that there are only two gender.
Today's Modernists, recognize an unlimited amount of gender.
I have a strong aversion to put what modernity and traditionalism are, in a box.
Did not read everything, but conservatives/ rightists did have some clear victories. The most concrete stuff I can think of : Gun rights, homeschooling, stopping the whole pedo thing that was mainly in France around 1970. It is funny that you mention firearms, because this right got stronger if we compare it to a few decades ago. There are also less concrete stuff but I don’t want to go into details.
While doing a purely « return to traditions » thing is bad, it does make sense to strategically « put the brakes on » to survive whatever retarted shit progressives are trying to pull off. Being a « progressive rightist » does not mean you have to be retarted about everything. You can recognize some stuff of the past and the present is good, therefore they need to be kept.
>Finally, that damn Italian. The whole “Retvrn to tradition” thing is a reference to Julius Evola. It's pretty funny to see TradCaths use this phrase seeing as Evola had a quite negative view of Christianity, but that's beside the point. Like most, I don't lend any credence to Evola’s ramblings about a made up perennial religion or “Aryan Masculine Solar Tradition.” It's all very dubious historically & relies on shaky metaphysics. I admire his work in RATMW & MATR, but I’m highly skeptical of his more overarching theories.
You should read my longest post on perennialism. It is actually quite reasonable to believe Evola. I plan on adding some more sections to it demonstrating the widespreadness of the perennial myth of the Chaoskampf, but too busy now
>The point being that conservative attitudes never really work. Time moves in a singular direction & is quite relentless. The best conservatives can hope for is to slow the pace of progress, which is also idiotic.
Conservatism works quite often, but when it works it works invisibly. Nobody notices when conservatism works because nothing changes, and we react to changes in our environment. Not non-changes.
>Indeed, the artistic movement that was seen as inseparable from Fascism in its early years was not only untraditional, it was openly & enthusiastically anti-traditional. It saw museums as no better than graveyards, and a fetishization of the past.
Yes, I'm glad someone is aware of the "blow up museums" bit.
>Its not so much that what is old is bad, but that what is old is gone & what remains eventually becomes a grotesque imitation. To avoid this sort of cosmological nostalgia, we should look nowhere except the future.
Uhh, I think this might be a bit of an exaggeration, it's more that we should look to the past but only use it as romantic inspiration for the future, not as something to "return" to. Fascism is traditionalist in a more basic sense, that it participates in tradition by culture-generation. When you are "returning" to Tradition you are creating nothing, you are making a pastiche. The original was, well, original, it was authentic, it was young. What we want is to return to this civilizational youngness which characterizes the springtimes of past civilizations, and surely part of this process is establishing the chain from our predecessors to our successors. This is why the Nazis felt that the Bismarckian "Reich" model was such a big deal, it established Nazi Germany as a new installment in a series of legitimate German Reichs. This is why Mussolini wanted to create a second Roman empire. TL;DR: To LARP is to LIVE!!!!
I have read that article, and quite enjoyed it, but that's not the sort of perennialism I was speaking of. That was more so aimed at the syncretic types that treat Evola as a religious figure & cling too hard to his beliefs. Also, the strain of pagan that's becoming quite common on Telegram that calls themselves PIE pagans, despite our extremely limited understanding of what that even meant.
For your last paragraph, I don't necessarily disagree at all. The Futurists were extremely radical about it, as an artistic expression. I appreciate the sentiment of that but am certainly not above drawing inspiration from the past.
This couples nicely with something I am working on, hope to get it done by the weekend. "The Anabasis to Arete" which was spurned by a quote which I will butcher and paraphrase here but it basically ended with "everything before now was just a prologue" meaning that all of our history before now was just to set us up for the current struggle and victory.
I generally agree with your approach, which is actually what Evola describes in Ride the Tiger. You don't have to buy into his esoteric interpretations, although I would simply point out that Evola was never trying to be "factual" in a scientific, materialistic reckoning of "history". To accuse him of being "non-accurate" is simply a strawman argument.
It's funny how National Socialism was technically not "traditional" by the standards of the 20's. True "right-wing" is inherently cutting edge. Think of Ezra Pound for instance.
Great essay.
Yes there is a radicalism of the right that does not have to be backwards looking, that part of his essay is correct. However deracinated nihilism will get us nowhere, there has to be some excellence to strive towards.
"Say what you want about National Socialism," at least it's an ethos."
It sounds like you Hope Too Much. Why would anything good ever happen when it can just get worse forever like it always has?
With hope in your heart, nothing is impossible.
Tedious black piller, is tedious, too fucking lazy to set up a homestead like I did years ago, here’s a toast of bleach to you, welcome to my block list.
Lol, proved me right.
Nah will, you are totally a doomer. I'm glad you are aware of the issues, but when I told you there are men around you who could probably use your help, you said "why would they want a loser like me?" Etc etc
I think you should take Hex's new article to heart! Embrace Aryan values and climb out from that rut. Join your brethren in IRL work and make things better for yourself. No one else will.
If you doom harder, it just proves my point. Stop dooming. Don't cope in return, become practically focused and join a real group in person!!
There are no IRL groups to join, they're all COMPED and infiltrated by Feds. There's no getting out of the rut, Brezhnen. Nothing I do ever works out, so any attempt at joining some kind of group would just turn rotten as well.
Fate does not allow anything to go outside of the parameters She sets. I can't stop dooming, there is only Eternal Misery.
Cross your fingers that I just suicide out.
I blocked you now I must ban you as well pale demon.
Wew lad, you're a Janny here?
Dr. Goebbels once said „we are open renaissance men“
Honestly, I'm beginning to see troons and such through the perspective of aggressive self-selection (in this case, removal).
Weaponize liblarp
Oh what in the motherfucking HELL do you think you're doing, SUBVERTING my BOOB BREAKS with this FAKE-HORNY NONSENSE!!!!! I tolerated your soft spot for the fairer sex up until now, but this is utterly tasteless! No view of breasts or even buttcheeks, a face scarred with piercings (indicator of low intelligence, promiscuity, and disrespect for the Greerhead Pledge), dyed damaged hair, all of this stupid art hoe garbage... These girls are no good for you... They will lead you to destruction, and they are all obsessed with the mutilation of their own bodies with blue hair, tattooes, and piercings. This is unaryan behavior...
Oh, would you look at that! So much simping for "girls" and "not objectifying them" that you've attracted the exposed transvestite Madame Z to your comment section.
Sorry chud, the longhaus is here to stay!
You might like this old post I made:
https://sectionalismnotes.substack.com/p/third-positionism-and-topologies
Girl Break >>>> Boob Break. I remember saying dis in a note a while back. Many such cases! I am the early adopter! The herald of change! iSubstack bows before ME!
I'm on the right and I've made my Catholic beliefs known, but I'm not under any assumptions that we can turn back the clock. Rather I believe the traditions of the past can act as a shield as we march into the future to protect from the worst aspects of "progress". Good article Peace
Sophisticated teenage nihilism, I am intrigued but not convinced. I agree that one cannot overall be stuck in time, but in place of your nihilism I would offer a variety of ethnos and interest based eco-villages. My preference would be to live in one with the values of the high middle ages like pre-mercantilist craft guilds but with modern computer driven home crafting machines.
Well said. The mindset of the middle ages with modern technology. I watch a YouTuber regularly named Argent and a few years ago he described himself as a "Reactionary Modernist". Someone who believes in the morals of the past, but doesn't discard the achievements of the modern world.
Why would that ever be allowed when ZOG is just going to JDAM the entire world with thermonuclear weapons via the Samson Option?
Gotta disagree with a lot of this. First of all, the renaissance was majorly a revival of pre-christian hellenic aesthetics with some new roman-inspired ideas. The anti-modernist stance at the time was similar to an american seeing the president in a neo-gothic castle and thinking "erm we witewawwy seceded from the bri'ish communist burger king in 1448 or however the chicken is fried". Who's not to say being a white nationalist is tradcuck chungus take? Not to mention that christianity wouldn't have survived islam if society always followed the "older = bad" mentality, taking events like the islamic golden age and other shit. Just because mummah makes you wear nice clothes to DA CHOOORCH every easter doesn't mean we need to live in a transhumanist nazi ferdist machine world where you watch "europa: the middlest battle" in your brutalist pod while eating the bugs. BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
It's complicated. The renaissance was not a "return" but a "rebirth" which is really progression inspired by tradition. This is what the fascists were advocating for, not progression with rejection of tradition.
Counterpoint: Italian futurist art was ugly
Change isn’t always a good thing.
Exactly, change is mostly bad, we should stop and revert back and stay here, because we're actually going backwards, retrograding, regressing, and worsening
Except that would be impossible to do.
Unfortunately it's like that
I know, right?!
made more hilarious by how they're "trad feminists"... lmao very trad. or how they pretend to be Amish, but aren't actually against technology.
I do find the like to comment ratio of this post intriguing. One could also think of Liberalism, Progressivism, and Modernity as traditional depending on the era, the nation-state, the culture, or society.
Like the original Olympic Greek Games were aborhent to the ideals of Christianity.
Today's Christianity, would be aborhent to those who practiced it in the Middle Ages.
Earlier Modernists were inline with advancing technology forward and recognize that there are only two gender.
Today's Modernists, recognize an unlimited amount of gender.
I have a strong aversion to put what modernity and traditionalism are, in a box.
Did not read everything, but conservatives/ rightists did have some clear victories. The most concrete stuff I can think of : Gun rights, homeschooling, stopping the whole pedo thing that was mainly in France around 1970. It is funny that you mention firearms, because this right got stronger if we compare it to a few decades ago. There are also less concrete stuff but I don’t want to go into details.
While doing a purely « return to traditions » thing is bad, it does make sense to strategically « put the brakes on » to survive whatever retarted shit progressives are trying to pull off. Being a « progressive rightist » does not mean you have to be retarted about everything. You can recognize some stuff of the past and the present is good, therefore they need to be kept.