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afghans are not exactly the brightest people but they’re quite a tough people- at least the ones in afghanistan

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“It's very rare to find ideologically moderate militant groups, even if they're otherwise engaged with the conflict or have something to benefit. Perhaps it's not moderacy, but just Liberalism & its adjacent ideological followers.”

I feel like it’s like this with religions, too. Basically all religions ascribe beliefs, tenets, and practices that seem counterintuitive to basic reality. That is to say, all religions are “cults” if they’re small enough. It’s just that if a religion is big, most people won’t observe those beliefs and practices.

When Christianity was young, it had people doing insane stuff like tearing down idols, fasting in the desert for years, preaching to people who will obviously martyr them, or living on top of pillars to spend the rest of one’s life in prayer. But after millennia of being the mainstream religion, for most people it’s just the “be, like, vaguely nice to people, and God will let you into heaven because He’s also vaguely nice to people” religion. And as Christianity’s mainstream influence declines, you start to see the rise of weird, austere variants of Christianity again.

Scientology seems like an insane religion, and it is, but if it was a huge mainstream thing it would seem very normal because most of its followers wouldn’t actually practice everything the religion preaches. All the weird stuff would just be weird extra stuff for the dedicated nutcases. Or if paganism was mainstream with billions of followers, it wouldn’t be as closely associated with vvignasty vvitalists or crunchy granola big bear homos.

Islam is kind of the exception and maybe I just disproved my own thesis here, but even still it gets watered down in homogenous or overly accommodating environments, and you end up with a lot of lax Muslims. The extremism really comes out when it’s placed under siege, like in Afghanistan, or when it’s brought into constant, chafing proximity with other cultures, like in modern Europe.

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