Just goes to show that toughness, vigor and the will to be extremist and force your ideology onto your own nation are actually more important factors in holding a people together than hi IQ, which is important but it becomes a handicap if IQ development leads to a loss of physical / martial strength
“It's very rare to find ideologically moderate militant groups, even if they're otherwise engaged with the conflict or have something to benefit. Perhaps it's not moderacy, but just Liberalism & its adjacent ideological followers.”
I feel like it’s like this with religions, too. Basically all religions ascribe beliefs, tenets, and practices that seem counterintuitive to basic reality. That is to say, all religions are “cults” if they’re small enough. It’s just that if a religion is big, most people won’t observe those beliefs and practices.
When Christianity was young, it had people doing insane stuff like tearing down idols, fasting in the desert for years, preaching to people who will obviously martyr them, or living on top of pillars to spend the rest of one’s life in prayer. But after millennia of being the mainstream religion, for most people it’s just the “be, like, vaguely nice to people, and God will let you into heaven because He’s also vaguely nice to people” religion. And as Christianity’s mainstream influence declines, you start to see the rise of weird, austere variants of Christianity again.
Scientology seems like an insane religion, and it is, but if it was a huge mainstream thing it would seem very normal because most of its followers wouldn’t actually practice everything the religion preaches. All the weird stuff would just be weird extra stuff for the dedicated nutcases. Or if paganism was mainstream with billions of followers, it wouldn’t be as closely associated with vvignasty vvitalists or crunchy granola big bear homos.
Islam is kind of the exception and maybe I just disproved my own thesis here, but even still it gets watered down in homogenous or overly accommodating environments, and you end up with a lot of lax Muslims. The extremism really comes out when it’s placed under siege, like in Afghanistan, or when it’s brought into constant, chafing proximity with other cultures, like in modern Europe.
As someone who has actually lived in a Muslim country, I can assure you that 90% of Muslims are normies who don't fully follow Islam. Terroristic Jihad is the truest form of Islam, despite libs claiming that it is an aberration. Most Muslims are like many Catholics, in that it is a cultural thing. Like how renouncing Catholicism is tantamount to telling your family that you're not Polish, not Italian, or not Irish, renouncing Islam is more or less a repudiation of your entire heritage. You get disowned by family for that. Now, do they fervently follow the actual beliefs of the religion? Not so much.
Very interesting. I fail to sympathize with Afghans, however, because there are too many of them in my country. From all of the migrant hordes that got flushed here, they are the worst. Maybe Syrians are worse. The lead on all crime stats and are capable of the most erratic extreme violence. And I emphasize erratic here. Nothint wrong with an orderly firing squad, as it is the white man‘s style
To be fair, most of those are from the tribes making up the Northern Alliance fleeing the Taliban. Explains the amount of them that are pedophiles as well.
The Madrasas allow the intellectual elite of the Pashtun to network while the integration to Pashtunwali means they leverage tribal networks.
Important that the early Taliban were Durrani who started the first explicitly Afghan state in the 1700s.
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Example
You have 2 Pathan Durranis
1 Taliban Islamic 1 less religious
We should fight together because same tribe - OK.
You have 2 Pathans of different tribes maybe rivals.
We should fight together because we're unified by Islam.
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Doesn't really scale beyond that because the antagonism between a Pathan and Tajik is too much, and they'd just develop separate Islamic sects at that point.
Taliban are moderate in the sense that
1. Republic not monarchy
2. Don't kill non Pashtun Sunnis
3. The bans/regulations give appearance of state capacity
The Taliban are conservative they're basically 1920s Islam.
I may have miscommunicated that part, the failed offensive against the Northern Alliance was a one time event. The 3k dead were between only a handful of battles. This wasn't out of the ordinary for the overall war, just for the Taliban specifically. They changed tactics (both in actual combat & their attitude towards enemy civilians) fairly quickly afterwards & maintained steady progress until 2001.
There was never a point where the Northern Alliance gained ground or did more than slow the Taliban advance.
To add to what the other guy said, bear in mind who actually fights. There was no ChristNats in the Donbas in 2014, nor were there any lolberts. Not even Richard Spencer types. It was NS dudes through & through. The same people that have already been militant will continue to be, the ones that haven't been won't nut up.
Infighting only occurs with loose coalitions (for example, the old AltRight). There was virtually none in IronMarch where everyone was NS, even when disagreements did pop up. This is why I advocate specifically openly NS groups if at all possible, there's not a lot of room for error once you're in real life - away from twigger spergs.
In an actual scenario, once one group begins to snowball everyone else falls in line. By your logic why didn’t the taliban suffer from constant infighting due to different interpretations of Islamic law?
They had centralized ideological control through the oaths they swear to their Ustad (teacher).
The average fighter only operates within his own tribal zone, and only a small % need to be cosmopolitan enough to tolerate a different type of Pashtun let alone ethnicity.
A lot of this was young men wanting social mobility within their own village or clan + a revenge culture vs 🇺🇸.
afghans are not exactly the brightest people but they’re quite a tough people- at least the ones in afghanistan
I have a good deal of respect for Pashtun, same with Chechens. Not a huge fan of all the spaghetti language but jihad is cool.
Also, the taliban was especially popular with the rural folk- who made up 70% or more of afghans- because that’s where most of the violence occurred.
But yeah dzhokhar was a cool guy
WAIT WAIT WAIT i meant dzokhar dudayev not the boston bombing dude
Just goes to show that toughness, vigor and the will to be extremist and force your ideology onto your own nation are actually more important factors in holding a people together than hi IQ, which is important but it becomes a handicap if IQ development leads to a loss of physical / martial strength
couldnt have said it better
“It's very rare to find ideologically moderate militant groups, even if they're otherwise engaged with the conflict or have something to benefit. Perhaps it's not moderacy, but just Liberalism & its adjacent ideological followers.”
I feel like it’s like this with religions, too. Basically all religions ascribe beliefs, tenets, and practices that seem counterintuitive to basic reality. That is to say, all religions are “cults” if they’re small enough. It’s just that if a religion is big, most people won’t observe those beliefs and practices.
When Christianity was young, it had people doing insane stuff like tearing down idols, fasting in the desert for years, preaching to people who will obviously martyr them, or living on top of pillars to spend the rest of one’s life in prayer. But after millennia of being the mainstream religion, for most people it’s just the “be, like, vaguely nice to people, and God will let you into heaven because He’s also vaguely nice to people” religion. And as Christianity’s mainstream influence declines, you start to see the rise of weird, austere variants of Christianity again.
Scientology seems like an insane religion, and it is, but if it was a huge mainstream thing it would seem very normal because most of its followers wouldn’t actually practice everything the religion preaches. All the weird stuff would just be weird extra stuff for the dedicated nutcases. Or if paganism was mainstream with billions of followers, it wouldn’t be as closely associated with vvignasty vvitalists or crunchy granola big bear homos.
Islam is kind of the exception and maybe I just disproved my own thesis here, but even still it gets watered down in homogenous or overly accommodating environments, and you end up with a lot of lax Muslims. The extremism really comes out when it’s placed under siege, like in Afghanistan, or when it’s brought into constant, chafing proximity with other cultures, like in modern Europe.
As someone who has actually lived in a Muslim country, I can assure you that 90% of Muslims are normies who don't fully follow Islam. Terroristic Jihad is the truest form of Islam, despite libs claiming that it is an aberration. Most Muslims are like many Catholics, in that it is a cultural thing. Like how renouncing Catholicism is tantamount to telling your family that you're not Polish, not Italian, or not Irish, renouncing Islam is more or less a repudiation of your entire heritage. You get disowned by family for that. Now, do they fervently follow the actual beliefs of the religion? Not so much.
And with that, I have been Taliban-pilled.
Very interesting. I fail to sympathize with Afghans, however, because there are too many of them in my country. From all of the migrant hordes that got flushed here, they are the worst. Maybe Syrians are worse. The lead on all crime stats and are capable of the most erratic extreme violence. And I emphasize erratic here. Nothint wrong with an orderly firing squad, as it is the white man‘s style
To be fair, most of those are from the tribes making up the Northern Alliance fleeing the Taliban. Explains the amount of them that are pedophiles as well.
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/04/15/the-taliban-were-afghanistans-real-modernizers/
War on the rocks had an article on solidarity as well.
Basically, a lot of fights are about showing force and bribing a surrender. That's how many of the Tajiks fought.
US troops who had steady pay + the belief in niggers and gay rights (democracy) were hard to bribe, as was the Taliban to a certain extent.
Ie the ideological side of war, morale, narrative etc.
Philosophy + weapons = state
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Interesting stuff. Good article.
Longer response later.
Taliban aren't really extreme tbh.
They're more Pathan than Islamic in a sense.
The Madrasas allow the intellectual elite of the Pashtun to network while the integration to Pashtunwali means they leverage tribal networks.
Important that the early Taliban were Durrani who started the first explicitly Afghan state in the 1700s.
---
Example
You have 2 Pathan Durranis
1 Taliban Islamic 1 less religious
We should fight together because same tribe - OK.
You have 2 Pathans of different tribes maybe rivals.
We should fight together because we're unified by Islam.
--
Doesn't really scale beyond that because the antagonism between a Pathan and Tajik is too much, and they'd just develop separate Islamic sects at that point.
Taliban are moderate in the sense that
1. Republic not monarchy
2. Don't kill non Pashtun Sunnis
3. The bans/regulations give appearance of state capacity
The Taliban are conservative they're basically 1920s Islam.
Love this high schooler's edgy fantasies
Check out this 5 minute video. I'll may just tell you everything you need to know about the Taliban:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/OF7cr0wKqrAU [4:55mins]
If you walk away from that feeling a bit dazed, you're not alone Iconclast. Best to you.
Your an idiot.
State capitalism as in national socialism entails Idoloitry. China is the exemplar.
Iconoclasim is post modern liberal policy of open boarders and soft on crime.
I hate incoherent neonazi morons
I may have miscommunicated that part, the failed offensive against the Northern Alliance was a one time event. The 3k dead were between only a handful of battles. This wasn't out of the ordinary for the overall war, just for the Taliban specifically. They changed tactics (both in actual combat & their attitude towards enemy civilians) fairly quickly afterwards & maintained steady progress until 2001.
There was never a point where the Northern Alliance gained ground or did more than slow the Taliban advance.
To add to what the other guy said, bear in mind who actually fights. There was no ChristNats in the Donbas in 2014, nor were there any lolberts. Not even Richard Spencer types. It was NS dudes through & through. The same people that have already been militant will continue to be, the ones that haven't been won't nut up.
Infighting only occurs with loose coalitions (for example, the old AltRight). There was virtually none in IronMarch where everyone was NS, even when disagreements did pop up. This is why I advocate specifically openly NS groups if at all possible, there's not a lot of room for error once you're in real life - away from twigger spergs.
In an actual scenario, once one group begins to snowball everyone else falls in line. By your logic why didn’t the taliban suffer from constant infighting due to different interpretations of Islamic law?
They had centralized ideological control through the oaths they swear to their Ustad (teacher).
The average fighter only operates within his own tribal zone, and only a small % need to be cosmopolitan enough to tolerate a different type of Pashtun let alone ethnicity.
A lot of this was young men wanting social mobility within their own village or clan + a revenge culture vs 🇺🇸.
Because if God is nothing then anything in place of it is a false idol to be destroyed in jihad.
Every radical converges on this basic logic with out thinking.
You literally have an Odin icon and should know that jihad is literally berserk and can be enabled through liberal open boarders policy
You resent the more potent African and Arabian races precisely because your spiritualy Christian and resent the days when you had to pay a jizya.
Weakness is in you very dna
Weakness is in yo- ACK!
Africans and Arabs being more potent races orientate towards Islam which demands a jizya tax off of the white working class Christian.
This is known as the welfare state.
If you can't beat them. Join them